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Guides => Gypsy => Topic started by: Ron on March 09, 2011, 09:38:55 AM

Title: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on March 09, 2011, 09:38:55 AM
KTMA Gypsy (like her CC and Scifi era version) was made from child seat, with a few other odds and ends tacked on.

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%202.jpg)

While this is not the exact seat used, it is the same style... just slightly smaller.

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%20Car%20Seat%201.jpg)

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%20Car%20Seat%202.jpg)

The "eye" is supposedly a flash light, but I've got my doubts.  KTMA Gypsy's paint job appears to be the same flat gold the KTMA Crow had.

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%201.jpg)

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%203.jpg)

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Gypsy/KTMA%20Gypsy%204.jpg)

KTMA Gypsy's body was reused when the show moved to cable's The Comedy Channel (later called C, then Comedy Central), and served as the Cambot for Season 1.

(http://www.botbuilders.info/botbuilding/Cambot/Season%201%20Cambot.jpg)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Derek on April 23, 2011, 12:30:37 PM
I heard KTMA Gypsy's eye was a portable urinal:

(http://www.hfldirect.com/images/PORTABLE-URINAL.jpg)

I'm not sure the exact make and model that was used on the show, but this looks kinda close.

Lets hope Joel used a new one, and not one second hand... gross.

Looks like half of a clear plastic sphere is placed over the front of the urinal and fixed in place with a strip of electrical tape, and a green ping-pong ball is placed inside. And there you have it, KTMA Gypsy's eye.

-Derek
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on April 24, 2011, 09:40:31 AM
This is a good bit of research...

I've been told by people "It's a flashlight."  And when I point out that they're thinking of the CC / Scfi era Gypsy... "Uh... well this is a flashlight too."

:|
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Derek on April 24, 2011, 09:56:28 AM
Thanks! Like I said, I'm not sure about the real make and model, and by now I'm sure it is loooooong out of production. The only option would be trying to locate a *shudder*... used one (yuck!). Another option for somebody who is savvy with such things, would be to buy a newer style one brand new, and modify it based on reference pics.

-Derek
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on April 24, 2011, 06:09:17 PM
Thanks! Like I said, I'm not sure about the real make and model, and by now I'm sure it is loooooong out of production. The only option would be trying to locate a *shudder*... used one (yuck!). Another option for somebody who is savvy with such things, would be to buy a newer style one brand new, and modify it based on reference pics.

-Derek

Modern portable urinals are made out of old milk cartons.... so meant to be completely disposable.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Mrtrainfreak12 on September 15, 2013, 08:18:13 PM
As much as I might want to have one, KTMA Gyspy's voice is FREAKING CREEPY! I get J. Elvis Weinstein was inhaling to make her/his (this season really couldn't decide on a Gender nor a name) voice but *shudders* The result is VERY unsettling... Well at least I think it is..
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Animes Frank on September 29, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
(this season really couldn't decide on a Gender nor a name)

"Gypsum!"
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: jbl on April 18, 2014, 03:28:03 PM
Im gonna make a wire base then cover it with duck tape
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on April 18, 2014, 06:49:12 PM
Nothing could be more in tune with the spirit of the show.  When you get your project rolling, please post pictures!
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Mrtrainfreak12 on October 13, 2014, 06:30:30 AM
Makes sense

(this season really couldn't decide on a Gender nor a name)

"Gypsum!"
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 26, 2015, 07:50:09 AM
Not sure how many people know this by now but this should be the most detailed post on the subject thus far. KTMA Gypsy is made from two seats by "Questor" called the "juvenile infanseat." As far as I know, it comes in two different versions, one that rocks and one that props. The only difference between these two versions is there being 5 vs. 6th rows of holes on the backrest (see photo)

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 Joel used the "6 row version" of the seat for both top and bottom jaws. However, since this detail is not easily visible for the bottom jaw, I decided to substitute it for a 5-row version. I believe that the 5-row version might be sturdier, but who am I kidding? It was the only one available on ebay at the time ;) Speaking of availability, I've noticed that this seat appears on ebay every 3-4 months on average. Most of them are in mint/near mint condition and run between $50-$120 per seat. Remember though, what defines these are the five vertical holes on the backrest and three elongated cuts on the left and right side seat portion. Try not to confuse it with other models like the "kiddie mate." I've found at least 4 other seats that look similar to it so be very careful if you're concerned about using the original Questor model.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 26, 2015, 07:59:16 AM
As for the eye, I used a male urinal that has a straight handle. It's hard to describe what that means, but I bought a bunch of them and I finally found one that's similar to Joel's. I got the cornea from a vintage popping alligator toy. Here's the final product:

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Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on February 26, 2015, 10:25:53 AM
This turns out amazing!

One small request though: For future reference, could you please post some closeups of the urinal and the eye?

Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 26, 2015, 03:12:36 PM
Thanks Ron,

     I used the urinal in the upper left hand corner and it's called "Duro Med Male Urinal UPC 041298050766." You can get it on ebay and amazon. While the urinal I chose is in no way an exact match to Joel's, there are similarities in the handles. The urinal in the upper right hand corner (Carex Male 32 Oz Urinal P707) is a good example of what to stay away from because it has two distinct handle features which the original gypsy's urinal did not have. First, the Carex has a stem that forms a 45 degree angle to the actual handle whereas the Duro med and original ktma gypsy only have the narrow lid notch in this region. Second, the Carex has finger impressions as a grip, and duro and ktma gypsy do not.

(http://)

I obtained the front cornea from the alligator toy which fits almost perfectly around the urinal hole. It has discreet little clamp arms which help it to stay secure to the urinal's mouth. I'm not sure what the real name for it is, all I know is that it's from the 80's and it frequently pops up on ebay. As for the rear cornea, I used half of a 1980's muppet babies rattler all which fits perfectly on the inside. The green ball is the same one used to make ktma crow's eyes. Trying to keep it vintage, know what I mean?
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 26, 2015, 07:17:04 PM
closer pics

(http://)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 26, 2015, 07:18:00 PM
more pics

(http://)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: shorty1k on February 27, 2015, 04:50:01 AM
I love that you made the base look like the old SOL's door. That was a nice touch. This thread is a treasuretrove of useful information. The ktma version's parts seems far far more attainable than the final purple version, plus I'd get to annoy my wife with raptor noises!
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on February 27, 2015, 06:44:48 AM
Thanks shorty! and yes, gypsies make great inanimate pets.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on March 02, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
Thanks for posting the pics!
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on March 13, 2015, 08:19:23 AM
No Problem Ron!

Another feature I forgot to discuss was the hinges. I don't think there is a right or wrong way to make these hinges because the original gypsy seems to have a wire wrapped around the jaw, probably a coat hanger. Also, you'll see that there are variations in the underbite from time to time.

Now, even though post ktma gypsy has a pvc pipe for a jaw, which makes it easy for the mouth to move freely without error, I still think ktma gypsy's jaw is easier to create. The hardest part is lining the seats up just right because they do not sit together very well. I would recommend that you use the three linear holes in the seat to line up the sides. For a normal underbite, I find that staggering by one  hole works best. Example: 1st hole on the top meets with the 2nd hole on the bottom, 2nd hole on the top meets with the 3rd hole on the bottom. etc. Once you've made your markings, try drilling under the curved lip to hide your screws. For the actual hinge, I just used a regular ol' strap-hinge from home depot and cut it down to the correct length. I also grinded down the edges of the hinge to make it as discreet as possible.

(http://)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: 1984gojifan on April 11, 2015, 11:00:54 AM
Your KTMA Gypsy is AMAZING! at least there's hope that I can at least build him/her. ;)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on April 20, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
A floating hinge is a good idea!
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on April 26, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
Infant seat on ebay. Great condition starting bid $20. 1 day left!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Baby-Infant-Seat-Carrier-Infanseat-1960-1970-Era-/301608618234
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: DaZero on April 26, 2015, 05:20:35 PM
Begs the question, which is more helpful and/or ethical, where:

1) Everyone waiting until the last minute to bid, so it stays cheaper for the winner-

2 - or start bidding now, cranking up the price but also letting everyone know how much one is willing to spend on it, so people can bid accordingly, instead of some guessing really cheap and some really expensive, giving more info to judge its worth, but also removes the chance of people of getting cheaper for those on a budget, but also lets them know that ahead of time instead of waiting until the last day, giving them the option to give up early instead of anticipating for days.




I don't mean to get overly philsophical, but as I was orinigally going to ask everyone to bid last minute to keep it low, I started to ponder WHY so many will bid days in an advance, when someone will almost always big higher before the last day, thus pointlessly raising the price, at least as far as I can tell.

Basically I lean towards to 1) since people with a bigger pocket will always have a better chance of winning, while waiting till the last few minutes keeps it cheap enough for everyone, not to mention EVERYONE should know going into ebay it can get expensive, which can be applied to both options, so why not mitigate it to some degree by waiting to bid until the near end-

- but I can't imagine every single person in rapid bidding races are doing it for psychological "Mine! HAHAHAHA! oh, this was SO not worth the "glory" of beating the other guy, Buyers' Remorse!", so 2) is my guess at why it might be for some people.

Either way bid however you want, its your money after all :D
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on May 05, 2015, 02:47:17 PM
Infant seat on ebay. Great condition starting bid $20. 1 day left!


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Baby-Infant-Seat-Carrier-Infanseat-1960-1970-Era-/301608618234

$76... wowza!

(http://sol.semo.edu/mst3k/botbuilding/Gypsy/gypsyktmaauction.png)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on May 05, 2015, 08:15:58 PM
Did anybody here win this?
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: DaZero on May 05, 2015, 09:21:35 PM
That would be me. And yeah, wowza indeed. Thing is, since last fall I've been looking for any of these, and I've seen like 4-5 of these things go for around $100, so I kinda got it cheapish.....

.......dot dot he says, until finding listings for other seats $30-$50ish from a couple months ago I missed somehow, so maybe it was a bad deal :p Maybe? I dont know now, 1 to 10 this for me? Heh, guess I got impatient after sitting on Crow parts for 17 years, and now Im probably going overboard on trying to find. anything bot related now that I finally want to start/finish projects :p
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on May 06, 2015, 04:13:34 PM
It seems like sometimes people just dogpile an auction, and other times stuff slips through the cracks.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on May 28, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
I have a extra one but it has some broken pieces. Not too visible if you use it as the lower jar. I'd only make you pay shipping. Interested?
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: 1984gojifan on May 29, 2015, 04:06:35 PM
I have a extra one but it has some broken pieces. Not too visible if you use it as the lower jar. I'd only make you pay shipping. Interested?
I'm Interested in buying it, I want a Gypsy, to put with The KTMA Crow and Servo that I'm gonna build down the road
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on June 05, 2015, 09:18:09 AM
Well, this one is in better condition. Try to get this one first.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vtg-retro-Mid-Century-Plastic-Infant-Car-Seat-Chair-Carrier-FLASH-TO-THE-BACK-/151702505220
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on June 07, 2015, 06:58:14 PM
Are those the right measurements?
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on June 08, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
Are those the right measurements?

It's the right one, I pm'ed the seller for extra photos just to make sure. No other seat like it has the five holes across with the same pattern.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on June 08, 2015, 05:51:19 PM
Thumbnails! ;)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on June 30, 2015, 06:53:27 AM
We have another infanseat. Only 4 days left!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Infanseat-Carrier-Yellow-Plastic-Baby-Seat-/151730627824?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2353d9a4f0
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: bryguytoofly on August 04, 2015, 09:55:09 AM
We've got another ktma gypsy seat on ebay. Near pristine condition!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Infanseat-Baby-Sitter-Seat-Carrier-Questor-1970s-w-Box-Instructions-/111734350803?hash=item1a03e2e3d3
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on August 10, 2015, 12:21:27 PM
$3?  I'll take it! ;)
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Danzilla93 on November 09, 2017, 01:31:59 PM
Thread bump for an interesting discovery...

So Volume XXXIX arrived in my mailbox a week and a half ago, and I, of course, popped in a few of the disks that night to enjoy some MST3K goodness.  I watched Girl's Town first, which is, of course, the episode in which the Umbilicus is introduced.  However, this episode features a specific Deep 13 "exit/entrance" point that is only seen in this episode.  In future episodes, this "Umbiliport" looked more like an oven door, but in this episode it looks awfully... familiar.
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: fastbilly1 on November 10, 2017, 12:12:22 PM
Dan, do we need to start at episode one and work through every prop?
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Danzilla93 on November 10, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
My God...

I THINK WE DO!  O_O
Title: Re: KTMA Gypsy
Post by: Ron on November 19, 2017, 11:02:03 AM
LOL