Bot Builder's Info

Guides => Other MST3K Related Bots => Topic started by: fastbilly1 on April 13, 2017, 10:47:28 AM

Title: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on April 13, 2017, 10:47:28 AM
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kopKJmzRAGGDRAlC3ncb115wc7e5VqRt7fTMFlQuf9UbxuRCRCInq74y1f5JZG9i7GFZEXQ-wRnbhg4aBVIvBPM4EKUbdcpEYPEvb3Cu6o03yRLNiRwFqry5btAEjDnNfHtjVBiOBseWa6mypqMwLkJ-xl5lc0HV4cT6fCY-PSCfeWg9dWo-z2utoz_qjp_yEGTbLUBBKUg-rcq_wsVBvCYbeNevP9iQm7z2EhtxYMiF2aHTrGr2C-kMcPb1S1uWca6670uqpbME2x0YS9KQCz1qPY588XUTo4rSqX9dOzU-5Mw4Pw9hy9qa83G2g-tqwpfgP1Tq9YL8kHqwPH9T1q1taBhUJ_bq4EXN65N89mVxNYtdGZF3BcgPO89W_57fxt0M3sVD0SKzfSIR6puyGYRrcjuztcc65URF8OtlJ9gceojtz3F7BOT2XBSXZE0Oo2hZGfIr_pAG8IHdHbS3pEk1ndvOzitU8th_2Tjq0nIg1HlABjhipkVwFsNvMpez7VJCkjA4syCV19m_yFqBErate9j3sxO3dcUjtUxj7Y9w33iuynmjFQE0lvdlskNLJY9F9tVeZwoVnONOBFCgHCEJidiuxsQmHVO_ubAzNEmacG0LxVFp=w639-h440-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/O4OP1sh-VhLDVitNF44jFppDQPUf97vk5tcKPC6xjqQ8Ob_hswbEyubz6H89Wp0W7flq9QD02_j5UlolAd2VWFcMqftKlQQvqiRhF3qiHM9q1Bxbcq9BG5nWqznpc-oNSKZLdMZGYC_nP7eG_Cj9ikF6yOEaw5VZyjKBNvv4AvOAVnhFeXQlEqg4F9lV9qEFqDurbGBCJcPzLya7pgFhr0pyDBSsp-DjVEwCijJpFsZXaAxnGr6OHvnTC2cbiiRXP2FIN99ont-nchXrGjaE4553N-B-q0N41mFka1SbBmq7dc9mTxHiVZrQYtJon8mWKBhIkFA8SiJPyuaMz2VyacVP21bixL2U1YJSexPjjBzF2H2RW-_oyevdYVgGK1m1QGy_0Hy6sFTetZzox0cnLTGOY2w5bXgicud_sVjdMOnvebDpDE5FZtDBxYgJcdyLhurjRP7Mv5JoT3UXpKJzopurFz5wCKKXZ8HojdjvLYE19kZuZfrGNJWjWNMXf7SRaCmiW_r0GOA_MoCmNNuNYijaZAxLjWJ05miv-LYXyk6rTU4IiO1Zqbo_KXZejKucbgUx_8iB9s1FJgi1r_djirvLftVkJg5qGykBks02Y5W-Hs7HK4cL=s628-no)

If somehow you did not see any of the new show promos there is a new bot.  Shown a couple times at meet and greets, Waverly is another found object puppet that was promoted from Joels Basement bots:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2jcvMrpowzxiJLSxoGEGpSZeBnMyyNWJg-0atM82EPkNb5Z55BDhgN81TM-uSaVi9kDtQWgXYlrHwNiR0ozL5dB2v8K9z-8RTZ05GNnGR4SeVT8M6kLOJZhR-Yt34n2c4OUyRE4D063OFgjyJBqB-vV7ttQe65eCWv_ZRGTft9c-dFbA4BBRTTHWTjC_k9p8DiHYEHx5RgZxbBCf95bHRxTajdrN2FEDXjB0pBnE3EPNw59Cef3Wk8ruIgElGKzYbfzxEHEMpG9Xkh-5jQfBiWhgs4LFpSpbTFe8eiianC0JXIzYx4MBMdBcXnbwWz3D6euYv7BZO6WpSKJb0QR0YoEm8vym6t-t2UkMmqRvhSc-q4z3gA-ZYUU0Q5Kjof9A4nylveQAHX7MuGXp5sfCR0MPvQC__tYBFyO61l9mrQ1_UdMWnup3p-V7093FUSWRJkXWoAQwtJLIZ5Kf6lxRf0AA6LcqOP6GrzLFOxTDIXJIVUZFF0k7MfPDjMFp21hQ9kNJ3Dyp0VB8xBbyz9dVC2Z3OQ0iSYRLsr7gj95yjEZdezBHhBLskYBOrYgUNk_6uuuQQFrsFUvJqzS4VwYK0YCw2PfE6sjf75ujSsmeE9sbln94ZM-D=w471-h628-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RmtE68sMICWOyMt9envKmPFuu_iOcPaD64UOk-JZRVNb6BSjUAgY2RQQEOU2SRBspsFTP3pjFtntvnFEGRJJtU1ngypxLUZF74zc631ESv1XHLQ4gnVleYh_C4m0dhIMkUNaPLOLKLWYnVoPfZF3uvreSVlzrqr-3Q3yg90bHVVogbBcJXq_r92f6Hu5WqIbY92ZFXI1K0h8pQdfPuBJ1jJnow-LjPy3a_e3Lu8h5VaRT7eBXtHYbF0IiFCbLJiFEseUXIqrDkbNBGzTt0Eni74zOTizoMBVxI0bdMEBBl6rS0WnOpbF4KhTgsJEmfxYyvJP6QZ14YWHHtFnZWCrL1xEI1xUL3E7OAdiBIpUAA81a6c8ZLmqOWSGRAiBVRjI-6sWCQV77vyIkz3a_jM_Sr6Dowr9aPx-Fbnha4aOYn13Z5GvNhj8NNxrRZZp0cI5OR8bwYbsVyxrQwetxEn-flbAAZDU4pesPCX2ARp7tnVFKEhZF5hjd2_FoVXV2PYXpKctZG922fdzLBEoxydX1qXHkim-SI98TNEG-JXWeg3pt2XLHERzevtxsyGAfLii6edGlqeYooBywJV25sH5uz3OXZK116ard9Pq0cTCC4urjlbty7U3=w637-h628-no)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/riiHjyn7uEpg_29h9XcepnxDX8anavcmtzkCrZNlyp3cRsWvMWRKN7ZFawai-cW7UcYo6fFyxCIS08uDZST_t1UW5c2C40PoEREv9hXhFKiUK5oMguOLTsPMOdjtxDIJuXsus1l578WiexbxkZI1xqNsfnarw3pmDvVrkr3xvfiYIU6P2dZETAq1WsQ7BJW0xIcKYk7SDL45ou79hWLXT5iQd4ZxngBByQ7rr3km8JnQTdGx5Yxy3wzIoODy_3E2_fIMZaTsMqPYPs6tygv577tut2wCkYwDf1vqOQxjasix-FGC4Svj6elZqUBJfSHPkSrEOMLMTilxxcA3BSFVA1DCC8d6ocyy04UGszHfLdaTE8evYfQYgLjw1TO6CZyeU6kgceCKzu3zVuiyKh5rQgRG1o_EgGgYlcH6yYAHrmRNBRI9GqmiU-9m7m1gIA3pM7Y9j1uZURAhO7omolCu2u8KwtD4Z_rHns-IdRYWZ53MdCBhNWuDTethFLn6qDpP6pSQ-ZHRONRwUXzr1eM9DGUHI_InYyMrUVjFjqwYvzTfU7J4idglp6dHbHXhaIyc0xifef-1qZsZkHA5v-FqXza4cQS40uOdinQyknr6K5IqHZ3SkWSY=s628-no)
As you can see the shoulders and arms have changed since the basement bot.

I have figured out the bulk of the parts:
Head - child watering can with the sprinkler removed and placed on top:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KHLQ5FA/

Shoulders - Sandcastle wall mold (close enough that I can add a part and re mold it):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ICXMIC/

Mouth - Sandcastle mold:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GIUNNY0/

Arms - Infant slider toy pieces - I will fab out of wood
Rods for arms - Welding Rods (already use those on my rod and arm puppets)
Hands - Doll hands of some kind, I have someone looking into that for me.
His mouth operates on an actuator, just like the new Servo and Crow.

Body is the mystery piece.  My best guess is a square gear shifter:
https://www.amazon.com/1999-2011-Kenworth-Replacement-Rubber-Shifter/dp/B008GNOF1I/
But that does not account for the base with the "beltbuckle" like piece.  For a convention next month I may fabricate it out of styrofoam, but I want to find the right piece.  Any ideas?  I am ok in not having the correct sandcastle parts (there is not a database of them and they are seasonal low end pieces that apparently change every few years), but the body is kind of important.  The yellow in the basement bot makes me think it is a flashlight or a child toy but I cannot find anything that is that shape.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on April 16, 2017, 01:35:14 AM
Your pictures appear to be missing.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
Fixed...Google Albums has its moments. 

Two of the parts came in the mail, and in one of the boxes was a close enough head for a prototype:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1PQXPwcwbSsOPet8ObhZjR6DyCCQea41N-fIpNgIs64SowE3mrb6nF23lJVADOWjbADfknJnP10Dw25j6cTu4q3MWVwZztcOgBO9LlpISikwd9RXHoDNNyf709DtAoAAXY61qNjW25mw5SBWl_i_EsDnftku11I5XJJZruyhoOhHmEqNxwh7K_t1IJM6kX8CLoy2KcdNGtBy-ALcrgAZuLjz1BKeeUv-UsMiwab0PP_ZccatCWIm-KQsRTi4XzsaZ11QUPW1Xl_wyFpz3rvnBVjfp8491OVtgXBBuH0ZVVQt0SPF-qJMa4A1sj4ut66daucHkEs8xG0oQJ8iPzy5Xv2opyn_Z67QbmpSzPIwZbDwrQD3ezLXSdwOyo2XjXNzTHKp7yX0TWhIcywMnS9jyMN53KW_U5CbVbT_aajugt5ChOoMUSSB1n1Em5T8SqgOOSI-VtrB3kkWy3Sq9hUUlnrFoCcaDE1MMARdd-16r9gG26s1nkCmqnXmodqBL5y0JmuBJhWXWWyQ9NkJ3kVCpYM1FY9Nhx8BWHeyBDvWWw-A-WY7fT1UOPu53mvY6TU3J9iIXnMKI9qscissT-QdFlwdtbS5ZJs8onvivW0ZKpxIw8r0_dNv=w1117-h628-no)

So a quick paint job and some dremel work:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wmohEcIOtwLQuQrXct9ni_ML-IkbaTBd6i3L9VRHXJ1BQUH9zP6tFUfYEEy0EmZBTenziE783uCNt0Njab_f0cVGcL-GClk0Zm9TDK-KJt_iUBWbl41bbNAQh15IBda_DpejFRZL4Qupol8aX5GYfEjr2Gia1JijyTACM1So7L8DBF6KiVzlRZ5ChGmUlJr8hMn-NPnJt1CfNoYQa7CPNTin4VbjM6nqIzVJKZpHFZ8uMbYEj1GPQdm68relWIEMNStnXw9SNoIGQEUR4z9v7PDmzZ3kJsq6lRtfp70ZI_vv7BeZ3D1OHEGfpdjCJmXzVo2pDGdIlcdLlsW9cW6oVL0fl4NbGMsD5b97VieJKnFrHXSMJXCPjr6s6AuEDd-8ncjWQgKgr3eMvOGn7e4R3nEHY73D8lU-kpUD2VV_n5Ao3H_m2OkPI6iAQ8MYHTc_JarSA48mhBNXsd1mP1AfyxUSIu6n2dfw6N0H_u69hb7HEZn8caEBIH1UIBb0V2oxyOwdHPohHrIcjkbfNxiM0dL_Xvx0KKGaeFincENidgdEEg9BiRqoPUTRrsJrXpnquBAwODgxzNSJzKARHPIcoyL_r-I7n3hiylzTnGCiIXcEJJI2qB4v=w1117-h628-no)

The cutting up some foam for a mockup:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NjHlW8vVdJQ1ScUk4FAu9yDv7mn0QLAKlMW6smU8lk96fJ5gmCdDNX5xJEODAC9qQxuPrQD1LXSTGHgfZpgNI8kjFEtuG8Th5AURT7KzltZahyh5JaeuLUqAH3Akks4ZrMZoBfb4TZukcC-y1HCVsGyCwbNaSPUeKg_T5q_Nn15SZS2KIC6pJg6iJCksDDmkkljQV7DsrCGiulP7iD2BhzR56a8BzUOTmcKMlNxHqrWSsPgteaPKxXICsFoJNgV6hKElYvsQ7eC4hz7IqbGtdZso1X89HxuNUuMKcSyX2dJtqrS-L99_8AoGOCLsxPZLIEr7uvmVIpSDaHfpkvq4pSgF_Id9S_mF8F_lvvrGvzXSwIMWTj3iJjo0JVwJJJ8uqSt1tD6yAQzbxShloa15HGvj25t1VHr1mfABrkYj0zB1TRQOf3_oWRTyeXnQXbe6U6M9Q-pvKDshnANQFChWZbkXIj_51BNHG0-9w2C2Le0Ksj_612xqh_McP60rxuNWo1_7Ati3y3DWPqHvfDoNoanSC5icyPMA1YgDTiXa1_T-S7V2o8ZaAJ7YzRjUnrb7nSYJKTGdAskM3D_873zak0TT5ExbhWPLGRHxiBjmwbMrhToZNadd=w354-h628-no)

Asking a friend in the automotive industry, he believes the body is a shifter boot from a mid 70s ford truck.  But after building the styrofoam version, the hole will have to be closer to the front, than in the middle.  So I still looking for the body.  The arms are the balls from ball bungies cords and random pvc on bungie cord.  They PVC is too small and narrow, but I am convinced that is how they made the arm. 

Paint is Rustoleum Sennia Mist Metallic.  It is too red for the final, but it should be a good primer.  I imagine the actual color is a Testors, like the rest of the bots.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on April 16, 2017, 12:38:49 PM
After watching the Loves of Hercules (episode eight), I got the shoulders wrong.  The shoulders are still in two pieces:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wI90ndIAd6WA_ujC8dDTrdB8RCYFnuuML9nY9epLDL6BPj6S1epivEX7Je7GFOCggDF3uNbzZc_SL1v8XIvCLc_fXKMgTepWih9vVedpCS_pL-GM6_BtyrJ7jg6HurHncJuIggdK49GcdkgGUECY1PwtCfEv7rZsLhCnINxo1sR_9D9Ue69H_at_9THzIgLuXB5Zl3A8E_Q9fILONi8ka4JcL1j8eflRGSYgUHKxiQbKNpKb28X-bIS6TI25UaWB2CH0uXqY8vTq0YFoAyTODQf34TiWpuibVIJ9KzEyAteZAPJFR8mJDg3fOqzQ3VoXZZ2DvY4RTm7FVWOkV_2tD8xbTt0La7aJd7bhjdA7O7Ex5VMMtUmsKSmDyo5TasdPwNbBMtPlqoXdIA3702UV5KJbh-3zfIQXJ4yzwGJ5L7sKT6-O_RgYLVKB4Bo-mhD4ss0wy-W0dTizknaM_6pMZsb3Ao03MWrwKpSjIshsArHT61KzkTzpcBujVw1tocn4hNrgGZHruNqgXGyCzCOgM39HkKqfGH1KyDNNUmVg4UIG7vDz3nX8W8xQJH8tDPzdR79TkG5ab-5AXlPSdynFVEoITwuGVGAcM0oHJmPPw4ohXhKZU4PB=w496-h387-no)

Hands are smaller than Servos.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on April 17, 2017, 10:57:44 AM
Google Pics broke on that last one. :/  But I'm liking the progress so far!

I've only gotten up to ep five so far (too much going on), but I am excited about this build. Waverly is the cutest thing.

I'm sure there's a shift boot that will work.  Still holding onto the possibility that it's vac-formed around an original boot cos those would be way too flexible to hold their shape during operation, plus the paint might stick too well on that rubber.

Wish I could figure out his belt buckle.  Haven't had an epiphany yet, sadly.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on April 28, 2017, 10:33:08 AM
Any updates?

Body looks like possibly flexible downspout guttering?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: LukeThreepwood on April 29, 2017, 07:24:24 AM
Considering that the chipped paint on the body shows bright yellow plastic underneath with a definite top, I'm willing to bet money it's from some toy Joel found at a thrift store.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: PuppetGarage on April 29, 2017, 12:24:52 PM
Hello,  here is Waverly in pieces, after paint before assemble.  The gray hand in the photo was the original one we didn't end up using for the bot.

I hope this helps
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: MachoMachoBot on April 29, 2017, 12:27:00 PM
That is awesome. Looking forward to seeing the finished build. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: PuppetGarage on April 29, 2017, 02:45:06 PM
here is the assembled arm.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 01, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
Thanks for the posts Puppet Garage.  This confirms the smaller sandcastle pieces, how the top of the jaw connects, and that the body and hands are still a mystery (and thought I would love to pump you for info on it, I figure you had to sign an NDA so I wont put you in an awkward situation). 

Turns out that Smits is one of my wife's friends, who had her fanart retweeted by the cast over the weeknd.  So to celebrate she came over last night with a shifter boot cover and larger sandcastle parts.  So I have a bootcover filled with expanding foam and waiting for paint, that will work for her larger scale Waverly.

I tried the downspout Ron, it wasnt large enough.  It is also usually rectangle, not square.  I am going to keep searching for the correct part, Ill find it eventually.  I still have hopes it is some sort of 6v flashlight casing (like Gypsy Eyes).  Hopefully itll take less time than the Air Purifier for the desk console.  Though after spending three weeks going through various toy and industrial websites, google thinks I am insane.

Smits and I are spitballed fleece and foam versions of Crow and Tom for conventions (ala Muppets) so Waverly may be on hold until that happens.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 01, 2017, 03:15:12 PM
I saw that last photo and could only think "YEAH, THERE'S HIS ARM!" as it flings across the screen.

Thank you for posting those!!  I really appreciate it.  It helps loads since Fastbilly1 and I are still brainstorming over Waverly. <3  I feel like we're pretty darn close, at least.  For certain parts, like his shoulders, I may have to sculpt something first and see if that works, if we can't track down those pieces. I am ridiculously excited about this build.

I'm not ashamed to admit I was totally smitten with the new little guy at the press conference. :D  He and Growler are pieces of art.

FB1, I'm still thinking on the foam/fleece versions of Tom and Crow.  If I can get ideas out of my head and into practice, I'll let you know (and maybe start a thread here? We'll see.).

(Sidenote: My Twitter is still going nuts and that is NOT a complaint. I'm glad I feel like making art again finally and people like it.)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: treadwell on May 02, 2017, 12:10:12 AM
I could never ascertain the context of the Joel's Basement photos. Are those bots he made for sale at that consignment store in Minneapolis way back in the day?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: 1984gojifan on May 02, 2017, 10:01:30 PM
Cool!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 03, 2017, 08:50:37 AM
I could never ascertain the context of the Joel's Basement photos. Are those bots he made for sale at that consignment store in Minneapolis way back in the day?

When Joel came back to Minneapolis from L.A., he made a little money on the side selling "found object" sculptures to a magic shop named "Props." 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: treadwell on May 08, 2017, 01:11:44 AM
Yes I know, what I was wondering is if that "Joel's Basement" gallery are some of those very same pieces.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 08, 2017, 09:21:23 AM
Yes I know, what I was wondering is if that "Joel's Basement" gallery are some of those very same pieces.

The bottom few are.  The photo looks pretty old, and those bots appear a bit less polished than the ones Joel has created more recently (which are the majority of the ones seen in this topic).  I wonder if he has any more photos from the 1980's of his original "Props" bots?  I'd love to see 'em!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 08, 2017, 09:25:04 AM
Oops, forgot the link to the topic I was talking about:

http://www.botbuilders.info/index.php?topic=181.0

The bottom three pictures are vintage.  Everything else above it is more recently made!  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: treadwell on May 08, 2017, 11:31:53 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 09, 2017, 09:25:06 PM
No problem, man!  ;)

Count me in on the excitement for this build!  As a Kickstarter backer, I (and many of you fine folk!) followed along with the design process for Waverly for over a year, seeing how one of Joel's Basement Bots went through cardboard prototyping, 3D scanning, printing, painting, and even naming!  I feel very personally invested in the little guy.  I even got to meet him in person, at the Chicago screening!  He and my Tom Servo had a little "in character" conversation in the line outside the theater!  It was awesome.  ;D

I'd be lying if I said this thread hasn't inspired me to do a little investigating into building my own Waverly.  The chances are slim (and there are tons of people on this site FAR better at part identification than I am), but if I happen to make some kind of breakthrough discovery regarding that mysterious body and belt buckle, you guys will be the first to know!

Good luck on your build!  SHARE PICTURES!!!!

EDIT: Here's a really grainy photo of Grant, Waverly, and my suited Servo conversing at the Chicago premier:
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 11, 2017, 07:24:14 PM
I think I MAY have solved the MSTory of Waverly's shoulders.  I'm currently holding a piece that's closer than anything I've seen yet.  I'll post again soon with more info and pictures.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 12, 2017, 02:25:14 PM
I think I MAY have solved the MSTory of Waverly's shoulders.  I'm currently holding a piece that's closer than anything I've seen yet.  I'll post again soon with more info and pictures.

Sweeet!  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous of your meetup. :D  That is fantastic!

Whatever you've got, you know we'll be interested to see.  Right now, FastBilly1 has some of the parts for mine and we've discovered that a shift boot seems to take paint really well.  Color me surprised.  It's the best we could figure out for a body, but it's close enough for me to be happy right now.  Upgrades no doubt will happen as parts are ID'd by everyone.

I think I may have to customize the little guy's head. Parts were ordered that were the perfect shape....aaaannnnd totally the wrong size.  If anyone knows where we can find an embiggening ray, that'd be kinda neat.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 13, 2017, 02:34:51 PM
Thanks Smits!  I can't wait to see your progress!  The shift boot taking paint is unexpected and excellent news!  Might just have to order one...

Anyway, here's what I think I discovered about the shoulder.  If you look at the photo of the I assembled Waverly on the previous page, you'll see that they have a weird curvature to them.  One side is rounded, and the other side starts as rounded and then becomes flat as it joins to the tower part of the castle.  I've searched through hundreds of Sandcastle molds online and haven't found anything that looks 100% like this piece.  I tried looking for the a part that more closely resembled the one used on Joel's basement bot version of Waverly, but again, nothing doing.

Then, this last Wednesday, I was in Hobby Lobby and discovered a sand toy set (the first picture) that had something in it that caught my eye.  Check out the pictures below...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 13, 2017, 02:49:43 PM
Here's what I think is going on...

All the parts for Waverly were 3D printed versions of found objects, not the objects themselves.  This allowed alterations to be made in certain places to the parts.  I think the green shoulder piece I found is the original Waverly shoulder piece, but it was altered in the computer to better fit the bot.  If you look at the disassemble picture on the last page, it's essentially this piece with most of one of the curved walls missing.  I sat on the floor of Hobby Lobby for 20 minutes comparing images of the Basement Bot, the unassebled and finished Waverly, and this green piece.  Aside from the missing wall, they are identical.

In fact, it's possible Joel used this unaltered piece for the Basement Bot, but the angle of the pictures hides the curved wall.  The images below show how the second wall can be hidden if the angle is right.

Long story short:  if we want to build Waverly, then we will either have to hope the altered shoulder pieces make their way into fan hands somehow, or alterations will have to be made to these sandcastle pieces in order to make two shoulders.  It's possible to do, but it involves extra steps, for sure.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 13, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
Sets containing these parts tend to be kind of expensive, but some persistent Anazon perusing gave me listings for the following sets containing the shoulder part:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014PN4H0G/ref=ox_sc_act_image_9?smid=AEQF4HVNPT5Z4&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MXEEC55/ref=ox_sc_act_image_8?smid=A1XKK4DYQWG9QL&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XSPBQ3Q/ref=ox_sc_act_image_6?smid=A2SGX0GALB1AWB&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XZLVCMM/ref=ox_sc_act_image_4?smid=AIPDGYENTWXP7&psc=1

These last two are the cheapest I've seen so far:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XJBT1M1/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A1MBXK497Q7B3L&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0724ZWTSZ/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A18MDMKBHTTDGK&psc=1

Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 13, 2017, 03:34:01 PM
Okay, one more post and then I'll shut up.  ;)

I just found confirmation that the curved piece I found is what Joel used on the basement bot.  Look at the image of the bot's shoulder below: you can see the curve, and can count 4 little nubs on the inner part closer to the head.  This matches my part exactly, and if you look at the 3D printed shoulder on the final Waverly, the inner bit only has two nubs, because the second wall containing the second two nubs has been removed.

So, I suppose this means that it'll be easier to make "Basement Bot Waverly" than it will be to make "Screen Used Waverly", but, like I said above, it's not impossible.  It'll just require som extra fabrication!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: PuppetGarage on May 14, 2017, 07:04:44 PM
Here are a few more pics that I thought might be helpful in your quest.(http://)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on May 14, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
Here are a few more pics that I thought might be helpful in your quest.(http://)

How dare you! Can't a robot have some privacy?!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 15, 2017, 08:32:06 AM
Here are a few more pics that I thought might be helpful in your quest.(http://)

How dare you! Can't a robot have some privacy?!

Welcome to the Internet, small 'bot!

We're just gonna put that arm into the Genesis Tank riiiiiight off-screen.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 15, 2017, 08:48:55 AM
Holy beez, Danzilla--That is a great find. I might have to make a HobSlob run after work.  I'm not worried about extra steps--Those always seem to come up for me anyway!  I am so excited about this. :D  I've got to wrap my head around the mouth mech worst of all. I know it's a rod puppet mech, which is simple, but my brain hasn't let that knowledge in yet.

And bless you, Puppet Garage.  SO MUCH. You're awesome for helping like that. (Really, I so appreciate this.)

M. Waverly: On screen 20 seconds, forever in our hearts. And now on our work benches.

...hashtag cute orange space nugget
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 15, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
Glad I could help, Smits!

And HOLY CRUD, PuppetGarage!  You, my friend, are the BEST kind of people.  ;D

Also, it's nice to see Waverly himself visiting our little thread!  Sorry for the invasion of privacy, buddy, but all's fair in love and bot building.  ;) Nothing will get leaked to the tabloids, I assure you...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 16, 2017, 10:23:47 AM
Sets containing these parts tend to be kind of expensive, but some persistent Anazon perusing gave me listings for the following sets containing the shoulder part:
Good looking out.  After I got my big one, I figured it was a kinetic sand mold.  I figured I will get two, and vac-formed them for each shoulder.

After painting Smits shifter boot, I will be building her a bigger fan version of Waverly (about servo sized), but I still cant figure out the body.  Once we do figure it out it is going to be so obvious that it is a bad joke...

Puppet Garage, tell Joel that he picked a heck of a piece.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 17, 2017, 11:11:51 AM
I think I may have to customize the little guy's head. Parts were ordered that were the perfect shape....aaaannnnd totally the wrong size.  If anyone knows where we can find an embiggening ray, that'd be kinda neat.

Uh oh!  What parts were too big?  I've got a few different listings for the mouth part and the head part in my Amazon cart, but since its hard to guesstimate the size of those things from the photos, I may just have to try my luck and order a set.

And I'm sorry, but it had to be THIS week of all weeks that my embiggening ray was on the fritz.   :'(
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 17, 2017, 11:32:50 AM
I think I may have to customize the little guy's head. Parts were ordered that were the perfect shape....aaaannnnd totally the wrong size.  If anyone knows where we can find an embiggening ray, that'd be kinda neat.

Uh oh!  What parts were too big?  I've got a few different listings for the mouth part and the head part in my Amazon cart, but since its hard to guesstimate the size of those things from the photos, I may just have to try my luck and order a set.

And I'm sorry, but it had to be THIS week of all weeks that my embiggening ray was on the fritz.   :'(

The part I ordered for his head was too small.  It's the absolute perfect shape! Iiiit's just the size of a teacup.  Then of course, I had to remember that these were Basement Bots and a smaller scale originally, so I'm mentally puzzling out his head's base shape in foam instead.  Mouth piece is good, and yesterday I found one single sand toys set with a shoulder piece that will work with some modding! (Hobby Lobby.  THANK YOU!!) I think we're going to vac it, then mod it...?

Almost betting the hands are vent dummy hands. My search history keeps getting stranger.  But if I can't find 'em, I'll make 'em!

I'm still all about my little shifter boot bot. When he's done, we're going to stream Top Gear repeats together, I swear. But yeah, when we finally find out what his body is, it may hurt my brain. XD
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: PuppetGarage on May 17, 2017, 05:14:46 PM
Hey Smits
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on May 18, 2017, 01:16:55 AM
Hey Smits

Heh heh.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 18, 2017, 11:14:21 AM
But that's... he's... Team Amer... how'd you...

HUH?!?!?!

I'm sure you two are having a nice hardy laugh right now. HA HA HAH!  ;)

Seriously though, how can we ever thank you for all these wonderful helpful hints?  It really does mean a lot to us.  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 18, 2017, 04:15:07 PM
Anyone had any luck locating (or crafting) a shifter boot that mimics show Waverly?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 18, 2017, 07:33:03 PM
Anyone had any luck locating (or crafting) a shifter boot that mimics show Waverly?

Smits said she has something pretty close.  Plus, it apparently takes paint well!  Who'da thunk it?  I'm jonesing for some pictures of the build!

Hey, and while I'm here, I identified/found another part!!!!  Smits, I think I'm holding a head that's the right size!  Stay tuned for pics/info here in a bit!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 18, 2017, 10:01:29 PM
Okay, so I've been hitting up practically every store I can think of in my area, trolling the "summer fun" sections looking for the parts for Waverly's head, mouth, and shoulders.  Last week, I nabbed a shoulder, and today I'm pretty sure I found the correctly sized head!

After getting a "nudge" to go to Target (I'm choosing to believe it was the spirit of the dearly departed Waverly urging me on.  You are invited to think the same thing!  ;) ), I found a set (pictured below) that had the correct watering pot! 

After reading of Smits' troubles with a similar part that was too small, I was nervous about buying the set on the spot.  But after referencing some photos of the Basement Bot version and Final version of Waverly, I'm pretty darn sure it's the exact one Joel used for his maquette.  When scaled with my shoulder piece, it matches the pictures of the Basement Bot perfectly. 

The real test will come when I finally find the mouth piece and stick it in the pot, but I really think that this is the correctly sized head!

EDIT: Here are some measurements I took as well:

The pot is 6.5 inches in both width and height.  The diameter from one end of the pot's lip to the other (once the lid/handle is removed) is 4 inches.

I'm in the middle of trying to whittle down a cartfull of Amazon listings to only the ones with these larger measurements, and I'll post those here when I'm done.  In the meantime, if anyone out there (I'm looking at you, Smits!) wants a garunteed larger head, I'd be happy to pick up another set and send it your way!  PM me and we'll work something out!   ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 19, 2017, 01:47:23 PM
I will load up pictures of smits parts and my build this weekend.  The more I look at the pictures, the more I am convincing myself it is not a shifter boot.  My first thought was it was a vase or flashlight of some kind, and the top down shots are making me think it is probably something like a square Tupperware pitcher.

Wednesday I bought a temporary replacement airbrush so now I get to hit up the hobby store so I can shoot some Testors Go Mango, Tangerine, and Turn Signal Metallic and figure out which one is the right color.

Edit:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4171/33923342934_ef9a7e1625_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TFFZZ1)20170519_210845 (https://flic.kr/p/TFFZZ1) by fast billy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151753475@N04/), on Flickr
Smits Boot with Rustoleum paint and the sand castle part we will be bending for the Jumbo Waverly Shoulder

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4185/34725505706_3f1a18020c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UUzi2C)20170519_210813 (https://flic.kr/p/UUzi2C) by fast billy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/151753475@N04/), on Flickr
My second Waverly Eye which is not right, but I can cut the stem to length to match the one that Danzilla found.

My Hobby Lobby did not have the Orange paints so I am going to two others tomorrow.  Disregard the arcade stuff in the background - buggered up the wiring last weekend and am slowly fixing it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on May 19, 2017, 10:44:09 PM
This thread is currently my absolute favorite thing in the internet.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 19, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
This thread is currently my absolute favorite thing in the internet.

Haha, I bet it is!  ;)

(And to be honest, it's currently mine as well!)

Fastbilly1, I'm loving your work so far!  That shifter boot looks pretty amazing!  I'll be interested to see how you alter the watering pot/head.

I'm glad I could be of help as well!  If you need any more pictures in addition to the ones above, just let me know and I'll snap a few ASAP. ;D

In the meantime, you can find my measurements of the correctly sized pot above, but here are some pics I took that might be a better visual aid:
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 20, 2017, 09:46:33 PM
Okay, so I'm pretty sure I have found at least one Amazon listing that contains the accurately sized Waverly head.

It's hard to judge scale on these things from photos, but it's important to know because there are, apparently, two versions of this watering pot that look nearly identical, but one is way too small.  The way to tell the difference is to look at the positioning of the spout.  On both pots, there are eight little ridges on the outside.  On the correct pot, when held right side up, there are three ridges below the spout, and one above it.  (This is, of course, reversed when the pot is turned upside down in the "Waverly head" configuration).  On the incorrect pot, there are four ridges above the spout, and none below it.  Both spouts cover four ridges, but only one pot is the correct size for Waverly's head.

That said, here's the listing for the correct head:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06Y2BYFPD/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2X8VO5W50N1EL

I'll attempt to track down some more listings here soon.

EDIT:  While I'm here, I'll post some links that feature the INCORRECT version, just so you know what to avoid.  DON'T BE FOOLED!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KHLQ5FA/

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01LHUQV3Q/ref=ox_sc_act_image_3?smid=A3G3TZLQAAJ72G&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N1WZGPB/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A1RY6PQHAV9OQY&psc=1

And...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00VETDANA/ref=ox_sc_act_image_2?smid=A1UPU5IQGSHS9D&psc=1
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 22, 2017, 08:32:22 AM
I bought the $5 incorrect set from China. 

After three hobby stores I only found two containers of turn signal amber metallic.  Mixed it up, loaded into my nice airbursh and gummed the sucker up.  So I loaded the mix into my crappy airbrush and after a few passes it gummed up to.  I checked my mix, I had grabbed flow reducer not flow enhancer. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 22, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Consistently impressed with our little community!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 22, 2017, 03:23:38 PM
I am surprised the site did not blow up with the new season. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 22, 2017, 05:13:54 PM
I am surprised the site did not blow up with the new season. 

I am as well.  But I honestly think that will come in time. ;D MST3K speaks to creative people, to the tinkerers of the world.  It's always, at least to me, been an invitation to build and create in the great tradition of "DIY", an invitation saying "you can do this too".  In good time, the new MSTies who are just now discovering the show will find that it inspires them to do what we've been doing since being inspired by the original episodes.  The first bot/prop replicas didn't appear overnight after Invaders from the Deep in 1988, but they did eventually come.

I think there are going to be a lot of Crow and Tom clones running around here on Earth before too long. ;)

And Waverly, of course!

And those new fans will find their way here.  It's just a matter of time!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 23, 2017, 09:50:08 AM
This site has always been sort of a slow burn... "The right people get it."

There's less incentive to build your own these days since anyone with the cash can get a high quality build from Bob Bukoski.  Should Bob exit the market, they'll be the usual uptick of folks looking to build their own.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 23, 2017, 12:06:18 PM
There's less incentive to build your own these days since anyone with the cash can get a high quality build from Bob Bukoski.  Should Bob exit the market, they'll be the usual uptick of folks looking to build their own.

That's a good point.  Certainly nothing against Bob, of course, but it is certainly easier to let an expert do the hard work!  I should know, I have one of his amazing Crow's.

That's why I've become so involved with this Waverly thread; there are no parts being sold as copies, no completed replicas, or any confirmation as to what several of the parts even are.  It's a treasure hunt for the love of a TV show, and I LOVE that.  I never got the chance to participate in this treasure hunt back in the 90's, so it's a chance to experience what those original bot builders did "in the good ol' days".  Part identification, figuring out how to get those parts, solving the problems of assembly and painting... it's really a blast!  ;D

Speaking of which, I should be receiving Waverly's mouth in the mail tomorrow, so I'll be able to start assembling the head!  Expect pics!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 23, 2017, 02:02:44 PM
Good point Ron.  I bought parts from Bob because you cant find them.  I built a Tom and a Crow from kits he sold, and built them from scrounging.  Sure I could have bought a Kit from Bob for my personal Crow, but what would I do with all those parts I took 20 years tracking down...  Though now you would have more trouble finding Crows paint in a rattlecan than most of his parts.

Dan, we will figure out all of the parts.  But if the hands are truly from a Team America marionette then we will have to find a close enough replacement.  When I first tried to build a Servo, oh 1994, I had a xerox of The Official Bot Building Guide.  That made things much easier, but it still took me years to get all his parts and enough of his paint.

I have a road trip this Saturday where I will be hitting up every fleamarket, thrift store, and garage sale I see enroute.  We will figure it out and then detail the parts.  Once she is done with her backlog, I was going to ask Smits to do drawings where we can detail each part, like in a technical manual.  But then again she keeps drawing stuff that Jonah retweets so that backlog is not going down.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 23, 2017, 05:36:20 PM
Dan, we will figure out all of the parts.  But if the hands are truly from a Team America marionette then we will have to find a close enough replacement.

I have every bit of faith that we will ID all of those parts eventually!  Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can stop a determined MSTie.  ;)

But yeah, that Team America thing is a sticky wicket, so to speak.  After that image was posted, I did a few google searches, desperately hoping that what they used was from an action figure/toy or market reproduction of some kind, and not copies of the actual hands from the marionette.  I haven't seen anything like that.  It'll have to remain a part that is substituted until, much like Servo's engine block, a copy is made of the original, or some skilled sculpter fabricates duplicates.

Or, we can start praying that the Kickstarter "Mystery Gift" is a replica of Waverly's discarded arm that gets flung onto the desk...  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Smits on May 25, 2017, 09:27:37 AM
This thread is currently my absolute favorite thing in the internet.

Totally mine too. :D

Sorry I've been quiet lately, I've been busy. :(  I'm hoping to visit FB1 and his wife over the upcoming holiday, so there will be bot discussion and maybe more pictures. I've got to get more parts over to him.  I've got his mouth (beak?) and a potential shoulder piece. That's something.

I've got more links to go through! Thank you, Danzilla!  Waverly's head is a tricky thing. I ended up getting a couple of cheap flowerpots earlier this week to maybe heat mold foam to and work from there, but maybe we won't have to do that. Hmm.

This is the shift boot I ended up getting for Waverly's body.  It looks close enough to me until we find something better/closer/what the heck IS it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PZC4A2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007PZC4A2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

Something could probably also be fashioned out of pink/green foam or wood, then vac formed, but I don't think we've got that capability yet, at least not on a large scale.

I swear to Reptilicus Metallicus, I will sculpt similar-as-I-can-get hands.  I believe Scott Land is responsible for those particular marionettes, but as far as I can tell, he's not selling any puppet kits. (You guys are having a BLAST, aren't you? :D You're my kind of people.)

I'm just really happy that other people like M. Waverly as much as I do. This is so encouraging. <3

(Now if I can just get caught up on everything. I'm trying.)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 25, 2017, 09:49:26 AM
Didn't Chiodo Bros. Productions have some involvement with the creation of the 'Team America' marionettes?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on May 25, 2017, 09:50:33 AM
Also:

(http://sol.semo.edu/mst3k/botbuilding/Waverly/Belt.JPG)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 25, 2017, 12:01:37 PM
One crazy hard to find mystery part at a time Ron.  Comeon.

If you look at the picture Puppet Garage posted a couple pages ago:
(http://www.botbuilders.info/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=363.0;attach=845;image)
That belt buckle like part sticks out atleast a few mm.  Id wager the ribbed part of the body is one part, the black base and the belt buckle are another.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 25, 2017, 12:16:23 PM
That belt buckle like part sticks out atleast a few mm.  Id wager the ribbed part of the body is one part, the black base and the belt buckle are another.

That's exactly what I'm starting to think too.  The question is, just what the ding dong HECK IS IT?!?!

If it's really a separate part, it could literally be from anything.  Maybe part of a toyset, or a spaceship?  Could it be part of a toy gun, like a Nerf gun or something?

On a somewhat related note, Amazon sent me the wrong sandcastle mold for the mouth.  Oops.  So the wait for my Waverly head continues...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on May 30, 2017, 10:39:46 AM
No luck at any fleamarket, thriftstore, or pawnshop.  Nothing that fit the mark of the little guys body. 

So Smits came over yesterday to watch our hockey team embarrass themselves and work on jumbo Waverly.  While she does not have a correct head yet, we have a flower planter that will work until we can find it.  But when I was painting the parts, my wife busted into the workshop with a breakthrough, she found a missing piece of Waverly:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4267/34952509076_96c7cc4ae4_c.jpg)
His voice!

And let me tell you, Waverly does not like Cylons.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on May 31, 2017, 09:19:51 PM
That's hilarious!  ;D

I really need to check that album out...

You're jumbo Waverly is looking good!  Is that the same shifter boot from a few pages ago?  It looks bigger.  Keep it up!

While I'm here, I'm expecting the CORRECT mouth from Amazon after they sent me the wrong one last week.  I can't wait to hack it up and, hopefully, get a fully articulated Waverly head assembled!  Those pictures from our "friend on the inside" (bless that guy) have been invaluable in terms of seeing how the mouth was cut to acomidate the PVC rod, and where the mouth hinge is.  Hopefully I can get a pretty close version done soon!

Now to figure out that darn body/belt buckle debocle...  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 02, 2017, 01:24:01 PM
New image surface recently:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4237/34667948280_b3c1bcef06_b.jpg)
Which shows the butt and the bottom of Waverly.  This only makes that beltbuckle part more curious.  It has a bump on the back.

This leads me to think that we may be off on the Waverly head size.  He seems to be about the same size as Servo (atleast Torso wise).   
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 02, 2017, 09:16:27 PM
Dear God, WHAT IS THIS THING?!?!?!?!

The plot is thickening.  What the heck is that on the back of Waverly's black bottom? (Wow, there's a "context is everything" scentence...) It almost looks like a spot where a power cable would plug in.  If the black section is part of the orange body, it might mean it was an electronic toy of some kind.  If it's a separate part, well... it could be anything.

On the subject of scale, it'll be hard to tell until a finished fan version is at least partially completed, but getting the size right might not be possible without copies of the original parts.  Remember, these parts are 3D printed versions of the original parts, and Joel mentioned in a Kickstarter update that the original plan was to create a final Waverly that was sized halfway between the 12 inch Basement Bot maquette and that awesome cardboard mockup.

That might account for the larger size we are seeing.  If that's the case, any replica using the original parts will be smaller than the screen used version.

But that shouldn't stop us!  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on June 03, 2017, 06:01:20 PM
But when I was painting the parts, my wife busted into the workshop with a breakthrough, she found a missing piece of Waverly: His voice!

Ha!  Love that you have CHROME!  I'm flattered!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on June 03, 2017, 06:08:12 PM
(http://www.mrgrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/IMG_0282.jpg)
(http://www.mrgrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/IMG_3830.jpg)

I was in an ice cream shop the other day and they had those little hands that you slip on your fingers.  They had some 'Glow in the Dark" hands and, to me, they looked about the right size for Waverly hands, maybe a hair smaller but close.

https://mcphee.com/products/glow-in-the-dark-finger-hands (https://mcphee.com/products/glow-in-the-dark-finger-hands)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on June 03, 2017, 06:18:09 PM
(http://www.mrgrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Waverlybutt.jpg)

Also, was looking at this picture that shows the 'thing' on Waverly's butt and you can see it's circular.  Wondering if the body is an air mattress foot pump.  Like this:

https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Plastic-Bellows-Foot-Pump/dp/B00EBXABBA (https://www.amazon.com/Stansport-Plastic-Bellows-Foot-Pump/dp/B00EBXABBA)

But a square version.  Or maybe they tweaked it before 3D printing it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 03, 2017, 11:43:04 PM
*head explodes from awesomeness*

Gra... *ahem*, Waverly, you are the MAN!  ;D

Those hands are pretty stinking close.  I might have to order a set...

And woah.  The foot pump thing might just be a breakthrough.  Since the shape of Waverly's final body and the found object maquette body are seemingly identical shape wise, it doesn't look like a lot was changed when it was 3D printed.  So we may need to start looking for a pump with the exact look of the body!  Also, the object used for the maquette version was yellow under the paint, and even though the pump in your link isn't quite the right shape, it IS yellow, so we may be on the right track!

Again, thank you so much!  It's really awesome having Waverly himself helping us out and cheering us on!  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 03, 2017, 11:54:41 PM
I haven't spotted anything that matches 100% yet, but I'm seeing things that are pretty close, and could, if nothing else, make nice placeholder bodies until the correct part is identified.  Look how close this one is:

Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on June 04, 2017, 09:52:33 AM
(http://www.mrgrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Waverlybutt.jpg)

Ahh Apache Studios... :)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 04, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
Most pumps have ingress and egress valves, so it would have likely have two.  But it jogged my memory for a unknown 90s toy that used pressure pumps to propel them and many were scifi themed:
(http://i.imgur.com/6VFZXwF.jpg?1)
That is from Hotwheels Streex line.  Which was my personal favorite and what gave me the new rabbit trail.

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/c22c3428-535c-4e72-898b-2493d30948c3_1.b3fb884e8d698ab3a3a1842d076bfc76.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Air-Hogs-Heli-Blaster/44811683?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=291&adid=22222222227033813718&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=70648981232&wl4=pla-138618041552&wl5=9013168&wl6=&wl7=9013168&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=111839944&wl11=online&wl12=44811683&wl13=&veh=sem
Air hogs stomp pad for their outdoor aerial series.

The size is perfect, there are a dozen types from the past few years, and might actually be the missing piece.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 04, 2017, 04:08:29 PM
Bro...

That might be it.

It's got the right number of ridges on the pump (five), only one vent, it's square, and the little raised portion on the front was likely covered by the still mysterious belt buckle piece.

Dare I say... MSTory solved?!?!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 04, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
Here's another image from another version.  Look at the hose valve area, and compare it to the shot of Waverly's booty above.  I'm getting more and more convinced.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 04, 2017, 06:37:33 PM
They had some spaceships in the past, that could have had that beltbuckle like piece on it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 04, 2017, 09:29:48 PM
They had some spaceships in the past, that could have had that beltbuckle like piece on it.

I was thinking the same thing.  Good thought!

I've been googling these foot pumped rockets all afternoon, looking for details and especially for that belt buckle.  I haven't seen anything close yet.  But all that googling is really convincing me that you found the right body piece.  Even if the belt buckle remains a mystery for a while, I'm starting to feel confidant that the body has been identified!  WOO!!!!

EDIT: After a few more hours of googling, my eyes are crossing, but this is the closest I have seen.  It's a 2007 Air Hogs Split Shot Rocket.  I think all the pumps are pretty much the same, but this one (at least according to the box) has the completely yellow pump used on Basement Bot Waverly.  The rocket doesn't appear to have the belt buckle piece.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 05, 2017, 09:07:28 AM
I know that foot pumps, like for a mattress, typically have a strap that goes over the top of the pump for storage/transport.  Looking at the beltbuckle and other airhog pumps, it could be some sort of stylish strap. 

Waverly, it is literally one of my wife's favorite albums.  She bought it from you in 03 or 04 when you were at her college in scenic Martin TN. 

Edit:
A green one is in the mail, should be here Friday.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 06, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
A green one is in the mail, should be here Friday.

Hey, me too!  I guess we'll find out if this is really the piece at the same time!  ;)

Friday is also the day I'm finally expecting the correct mouth part.  After that, all I'll need part wise is one more shoulder, some stand-in hands, some spheres for the elbows/shoulders, and whatever the heck that belt buckle is.  My next challenge to tackle will be finding the right paint.  If you look at the picture PuppetGarage posted on the first page, you can see the orange paint cap.  It looks like a Krylon cap, and so far their "Safety/Pumpkin" orange is looking the closest.  I'll probably pick up some this week and test it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 07, 2017, 04:46:56 PM
I went paint shopping today.  As I mentioned yesterday, a little zooming in on that picture of the unassembled Waverly on page one shows an orange paint cap.  It looked to me like a Krylon cap, and a trip to Lowes later, I think I have the right paint in hand.

It's Krylon Pumpkin Orange/Gloss, a paint & primer that supposedly sticks to plastic well.  Take a look at the images below; the caps match perfectly.

I also picked up a flat white and black for the rest of the body, and I'll be testing all three as soon as I can.  I'll let you all know what the results are!

EDIT: I've tested all the paint, and it looks awesome!  The orange looks pretty dead on, as does the flat white and satin black.  Tomorrow, once I get the last major parts in the mail, I hope to do some painting and assembly!  I've posted an image of my tests below.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 09, 2017, 09:31:33 AM
Sweet deal.  All the testors paints I have tried were close but not the right color.  Hooray for much cheaper paint. 

Waverly may be the cheapest bot to build on the show.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 09, 2017, 11:21:40 AM
AAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!  SO CLOSE!!!!!!!!

*ahem*

Sorry about that. 

My packages came today, containing a sandcastle set with Waverly's mouth, and the Air Hogs foot pumped rocket.  On the bright side, the foot pump is DEFINITELY the piece.  It's perfect.

On the not so bright side, I AGAIN got the wrong mouth piece.  It's the right shape, but too small.  It's easy to tell the difference because the correct mouth has four raised ridges along its side.  The one I got has 8.  Oops.  Back to Amazon...

But the mouth was close enough that I was able to hold it together with my hands and begin to see Waverly taking shape.  It was cool.

See my pictures below for shots of the pump and a WIP of Waverly.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 09, 2017, 04:54:04 PM
As it turns out, finding a listing on Amazon with the correct mouth part is nearly impossible.  Most seem to ship from China, and I ain't waiting until the end of July to build my Waverly.  I finally found a Prime listing that, while expensive, definitely had the correct part:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MR4Q9FW/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=A2TR0RQGQD04TR&psc=1
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 10, 2017, 01:39:24 AM
I just had a thought about that still mysterious beltbuckle. 

If you look at the other Basement Bots Joel made at the same time as the original Waverly, you'll notice that multiple bots use different parts from the same toy.  Example: one bot uses arms from a Buzz Lightyear toy, and a second bot uses the legs from the same toy.  A bunch of them also use sandcastle mold parts. This leads me to believe Joel had a bunch of toys on a table, then he took them apart, mixed up the parts, and used bits of each on the different bots.

The moral of the story?  It's possible, dare I say likely, that the belt buckle piece came from one of the other toys used to make the other Basement Bots!  So it might behove us to look at those bots, identify some of those toys, and see if we can't find our missing part!

Also, I'm starting to think that those little screw holes on the front were part of the buckle before Joel touched it.  Could it be a screwed on battery compartment lid?

Here's the link to images of the Basement Bots:

http://www.botbuilders.info/index.php?topic=181.0
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 11, 2017, 11:40:54 AM
I have been thinking about that aswell.

My worry about the paint is that under subdued lighting conditions, it looks perfect:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4253/34852873820_b82c175bac_z.jpg)
But under harsher light:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4278/35239806025_aae4972f50_z.jpg)

Didnt stop me from buying three cans of it to paint tiny and jumbo Waverly. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 11, 2017, 01:03:57 PM
My worry about the paint is that under subdued lighting conditions, it looks perfect:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4253/34852873820_b82c175bac_z.jpg)
But under harsher light:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4278/35239806025_aae4972f50_z.jpg)

This actually further confirms that this is the right paint.  Take a look at these pictures.  Same prop, different light:
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 11, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
While I'm waiting for my correct mouth to come in the mail tomorrow, I decided to paint Waverly's head.  It turned out really well!  I can't wait to do the same thing to the finished mouth and body!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on June 19, 2017, 08:23:10 PM
Closer and closer!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on June 23, 2017, 10:21:18 AM
Work has been crazy recently and thanks to recent security news, non work related browsing has been restricted.  Coupling that with how close I am to jumping ship to another company...well Waverly update:
Bought two sets of hands:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4229/34644978934_a2cb6f8423_z.jpg)

Standard sized hands:
https://www.amazon.com/Set-Ten-Finger-Hands-Puppets/dp/B00OACD9CU/

Jumbo Waverly hands:
https://www.amazon.com/BigMouth-Inc-Little-Tricks-Sleeves/dp/B00OKVJAHY/

They will be painted and put on arms this weekend.  Both Waverlys will be done before the Nashville show, so Puppet Garage or Waverly, if one of yall are operating that night, be on the lookout for the Waverly brigade.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on June 25, 2017, 12:41:29 AM
Both Waverlys will be done before the Nashville show, so Puppet Garage or Waverly, if one of yall are operating that night, be on the lookout for the Waverly brigade.

I''m scheduled to be there.  I can't wait! Looks so great.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on June 25, 2017, 09:18:02 PM
Your Waverly's look amazing!  I'm so excited to see them finished!

I'm currently working on a way to alter the shoulders without it looking stinky.  I think I have a solution, and I'll post my end result soon.

I'm really happy with the arms, too!  PVC couplings, wooden balls, some wire, and a bit of hot glue.  They look pretty close to the ones used onscreen!

The biggest sticky wicket I have encountered so far is definitely the mouth.  After ordering three sets of sandcastle parts, the third piece is definitely the right shape, but just looks too stinking big no matter what I try.  I have a suspicion that it was cut down in the back/on the bottom to fit inside the Basement Bot's head.  When it was printed, the mouth was scaled down a bit, possibly to make the movement easier during puppeteeing.  Remember, the Basement Bot wasn't a puppet, so it wasn't built like one.

Regardless of scale, I'll be painting the mouth to see how it looks.  If anyone out there happens to know of a piece SMALLER than this one that has the exact same design, lemme know. 

Aside from that, I hope to have the body drilled and painted this week.  I still need to get some hands and a second shoulder, and engineer a puppeteeing mechanism for the mouth, but after that I should have a pretty accurate Waverly all ready to bring to Chicago!  I hope the real Waverly, and his buddy Grant, will be there as well!  ;)


EDIT: Okay, I have finished my alterations to the shoulder piece, and I like what I have so far. 

It was pretty simple: I sliced off one wall, and glued a sheet of thin plastic over the hole.  I cut the piece to conform to the hole with a box cutter, and a little extra hot glue sealed the cracks.  I also added an extra strip of plastic to mimic the little rim on the bottom.  Right now it looks odd because of the clear plastic, but once it's painted white, it should look pretty good!  I hope to do that today.  Expect more pics then, and wish me luck!


EDIT: Success!  The shoulder doesn't look perfect, but from a distance it'll look fine.  I'm about to attach one of the arms into the shoulder, and see how the hanging wire setup that will allow me to operate the arms via rod works.

I also finally got both parts of the body painted.  Check out the images below!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on July 04, 2017, 10:52:48 AM
Dare I say... SUCCESS?!?!

The mouth is still too flip flappin' HUGE, but I'm still at work on trying to find a way to reduce the size a bit.  If there's a sandcastle mold out there that's identical to this one in design but an extra inch or so smaller, I haven't seen it yet.  This will have to do until I figure out what's going on.

Im still trying to get the hands and a second shoulder, and I still need to get the puppeteeing mechanism set up, but things are still moving along nicely.  I'm on track to have my very own lovable Waverly done in time for the Chicago live shows!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on July 05, 2017, 07:34:16 AM
Looks great Dan.

Smits came over yesterday and we cut the mouth and got some size references for Jumbo Waverly's arms.  She hasnt been around due to her drawing project:
https://mysteryscribbletheater3000.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on July 08, 2017, 08:39:44 PM
Wow, Smits is an incredible drawer!  That's some amazing work!

The countdown to the Chicago shows next Sunday continues, and its crunch time if I want to get my Waverly done before leaving early on Thursday.  That gives me four days to get the final touches put on.

Today I received the final pieces in the mail: two hands and the second shoulder.  Once they are altered and painted, the arms will be done and ready to be attached to the body.  Right now I am finishing up the puppetering rod, which I'm pretty proud of! 

The last step will be to assemble the head, rig a pull string for the mouth, and attach some elastic in the jaw to keep it shut.  I'm still working on figuring out how to do all of that, and by the end of Wednesday.  But I think I can pull it off and get Waverly to the Chicago shows!  I'll post pictures as the build nears completion.


EDIT: Okay, so today I painted the last few parts, got the arms rigged into the shoulders, and got the shoulders attached to the body.  The hands are still worryingly sticky, but I'm hoping they'll dry a bit more by tomorrow.  The puppetering rod is also done, and once I get the handle glued on, the neck will turn freely!  Next is attaching the neck, getting the head and mouth attached, and rigging the wire for the mouth.  I'm getting very close now!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on July 10, 2017, 09:34:07 AM
Were some enterprising person to send me a Waverly mouth, I can 3D scan it, and then we'd have a digital file to scale and send off to Shapeways.... <hint hint>
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on July 10, 2017, 08:43:14 PM
Were some enterprising person to sent me a Waverly mouth, I can 3D scan it, and then we'd have a digital file to scale and send off to Shapeways.... <hint hint>

Hmmmm... I like the way you think.  ;) Maybe one such enterprising individual will order a second one sometime soon...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Dr.cgad on July 10, 2017, 09:17:10 PM
Maybe at some point you could make the helmet from the host segment in season 11.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on July 10, 2017, 09:46:39 PM
Maybe at some point you could make the helmet from the host segment in season 11.

I was actually thinking about that.  It's a great idea!  Once I get a working prototype, I might just start focusing on accessories!  He's small and adorable... perfect for dressing up!

Full disclosure: my Tom Servo has a little suit and bow tie.  He wore it when he accompanied me to the red carpet Reptilicus screening in Chicago in February.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't tempted to dress Waverly up for the live shows.

But again, I need to actually finish Waverly first.  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on July 21, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
It's been almost two weeks since my last Waverly update, and I've been a busy fool with my trip to Chicago and getting back to work.

Long story short: I didn't finish Waverly in time for the Chicago live shows.  :'(

I got very close, but in the end it was the hands that got me.  The spray paint wasn't sticking to the rubber, and by the time I had the bright idea to coat them in Modge Podge, it was too late.  It worked, but it was 2:00 AM, I had to be up in 5 hours, and I hadn't packed for the five day trip yet.  In the end, practicality won out, and Tom Servo accompanied me to Chicago instead.

Waverly or not, the weekend was amazing.  The folks at G-FEST adored Tom Servo, and I got stopped for dozens of pictures.  However, it was, of course, at the live shows on Sunday where he got the most love.  It's always wonderful to see MSTies' faces light up when they see a bot in person.

As the line neared the entrance to the Vic Theater, I spotted Grant coming up the line of excited fans, carrying the real Waverly with him.  I officially introduced myself and he congratulated me (and my fellow Waverly obsessed fans here in this thread) on an amazing job.  I got the opportunity to examine the puppet pretty closely, and even operate the arms a bit!  I now know EXACTLY what I did wrong in several places.  ;D

Grant, if you're out there buddy, I can't thank you enough for rooting us on and giving me the opportunity to check out the puppet.  It really means a lot.  And congratulations on a PHENOMENAL couple of shows! Seriously, they were among the funniest things I have ever seen, and I'm including the entire MST3K catalogue, here.

I've included some WIP pics of my Waverly as he is now, and a shot of Grant, Waverly, Tom, and I outside the theater.  Wish me luck as I keep working, and those of you working on your own Waverly's PLEASE keep posting updates and pictures.  I can't wait to see your progress!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: DentonUSA on July 22, 2017, 01:11:07 AM
G-FEST, as in the Tokusatsu convention? So jelly man...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on July 25, 2017, 05:23:39 PM
Ive been stuck doing 12+ hour days for the last few weeks at work, aswell as Saturdays.  So I have stopped on Growler but I will get Waverly done.  Good to know about the ModgePodge, I just coated one set in that.  My other was dunked into PVA glue, but it did not harden evenly. 

What other mistakes did you notice you made after you saw the real one Dan? 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on August 05, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
Sorry for the late reply, I've had a crazy couple of weeks.

After getting a good look at the puppet in person, a few things became apparent, mostly dealing with scale.  Firstly, the entire puppet from bottom of air pump to top of head was around a foot tall or so, meaning some of the parts we've been tracking down these last few months are too small.  Of course, this is something we knew going into the project, since we knew the final parts were going to be printed larger than the originals.  However, a few of the parts appear to be "real world" size in the final puppet, but more on that in a second.

One thing I noticed right away was that my arms, while too thick, were constructed about the right length as the actual puppet.  The problem is that my body and head are at the smaller scale, which means my arms are too big/long.  The hands are about the right size, though.

Another thing I noticed is that Waverly's mouth is operated with an old school wire that runs into a hole in the neck and pulls the jaw, just like the classic Crow.  Since that's how I'm assembling mine, it was nice to see that that's how it was actually done.  It made me feel like I actually knew what I was doing!  ;)

And now onto the scale of the other parts... the body and flower pot head were maybe a third bigger than the actual parts, but bafflingly, the mouth is pretty much the exact same size as the sandcastle mold I currently have.  This means a couple of things: firstly, if I finish my Waverly with the parts I currently have, his trap will be too honking big for his head and body (something I knew the moment I got the mouth part and held it up with the flower pot).  Secondly, if I want an accurate Waverly, I'll either need to find a way to acquire/make a smaller mouth to fit my other smaller parts, or aquire/make a bigger body and head to fit my mouth.

Or I just make him with a big mouth and deal with it.  :P

This in no way clears up the mystery of what mouth part was used in the Basement Bot version of Waverly, which clearly fits in the flower pot head and didn't need to be 3D printed to do so.  WHERE IS THAT PART?!?!  Seriously, all my problems would be solved if I had a mouth that was the right size.

And then there's the flippin' belt buckle.  I inspected the heck out of that thing, and... I still got nothing.  My Waverly will be belt buckle-less until I can fabricate one, or the MSTory is solved.

All that said, I'm still satisfied with my progress so far.  I've got all the materials to assemble a big mouthed version, but I'm still holding out hope that I can get a smaller mouth... or a bigger body and head.  Maybe it's time for me to finally look into getting these things 3D printed...  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on August 05, 2017, 08:54:08 PM
G-FEST, as in the Tokusatsu convention? So jelly man...

Yep, I go every year!  This was my 8th year in a row, and it was amazing as always.  Lots of amazing people there this year, too!  I recommend going next year if you can make it!  For giant monster fans, it's the best 4 days of the year!  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on August 06, 2017, 11:51:27 AM
I'll be seeing Waverly in person on Friday.  Anyone want any specific pictures of him?
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 08, 2017, 10:42:48 PM
I'll be seeing Waverly in person on Friday.  Anyone want any specific pictures of him?

Any chance you could hold a ruler up to so we could figure out the scaling of the parts? 

Pics with a ruler along the side and bottom of the "belt buckle" could really help to scratch build it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on August 09, 2017, 07:52:39 AM
I second sd3's request!  That'd be super helpful.  Having a concrete number for how tall he actually is from head to butt would be awesome as well.

If possible, I'd love a shot of the inside of the mouth, so I can see what is being used to retract the jaw and where the pull string is attached.  Also, a shot of where the puppetering rods are attached to the wrists would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much for offering to do this for us!!!!  You're the man!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 09, 2017, 02:12:23 PM
Just had another thought about picture request:  armpits.  How do the arms actually attach under the castle. 

I would guess they connect to the same post that the castle is screwed to, but it would be nice to see how.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on August 09, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
^Ditto.  Excellent suggestion.  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on August 10, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
Close enough:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4411/36482239115_fc3f4daaa7_z.jpg)

Hes got two different sized shoulders, but down to the wire, what can you do.  He will just get pictures with his good side...

Sadly measurements will not help as much as you might think.  Waverly was a basement bot, scanned, and 3d printed bigger - just like Growler.  I will try to get a picture of mine next to the real one so we can get a since of scale.  Putting mine next to a Tom he is much more of a gremlin than he should be...

Ill see you tomorrow Ron.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 10, 2017, 10:11:27 AM
Nice progress.  :)


Sadly measurements will not help as much as you might think.  Waverly was a basement bot, scanned, and 3d printed bigger - just like Growler.  I will try to get a picture of mine next to the real one so we can get a since of scale.  Putting mine next to a Tom he is much more of a gremlin than he should be...

I disagree about the measurements.  They would be a great help.  If we can get some solid numbers of his real size we can use them to figure out how much we need to scale up the found parts to make our own 3d prints.

Since you mentioned Growler as many reference pictures of him from different angles would be good too.  Measurements of his hose arms and shoulder bells could help figure him out.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on August 10, 2017, 10:18:20 AM
Good thought, I will try to get the OK to take several pictures and measurements.  I am still not use to the world of 3d printing so forgive my ignorance.

We can kinda figure it out based on an image earlier in the thread with the spraycan cap.  But actuall measurements would be better.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 10, 2017, 10:45:00 AM
Yeah, I have yet to do any 3d printing though I sort of have access to a printer though local Fab Lab.  3d design makes my brain go numb.  Still, like anything, better data will lead to better results.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on August 10, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Your Waverly is looking great, fastbilly!  It's really making me want to get the last part of mine finished, even if his mouth is still too big...  :P
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on August 12, 2017, 09:39:10 AM
So Waverly went on a trip and ended up at a pub where he met up with part of the Revival league:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4416/36383926501_ef8ba549e7_z.jpg)

Sadly Waverly got sauced and started seeing the Serenity everywhere:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4335/35712458423_f04af1971a_z.jpg)

Then he saw a better version of himself:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/35712457283_bb51142caa_z.jpg)

But they became fast friends:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4331/35712459533_2a27c4f740_z.jpg)

Then he saw a show:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4419/36383928861_7ba6323595_z.jpg)

Waverly was much loved at the Nashville show, despite misshaped shoulders, and the mouth mechanism breaking enroute.  I got a chance to inspect the real one, but forgot to get pictures since Ron was there taking them (as seen in the third picture). 

Realized my mistake with the arms and that my shoulders were too far spread out (making him look far more angry and/or hunchbacky).
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on August 13, 2017, 07:42:17 AM
It was very cool checking out your bot in person!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 13, 2017, 12:14:33 PM
I can't wait to see Ron's pictures.  I see the ruler there!  That is really cool that they let you do that!

Just looking at some of fastbilly's pics it seems to me the Air Hog bellows are very close in size to the 3D printed bellows. I guess it could be lens distortion or forced perspective.  How did it look in real life?

It seems the watering can head on the real Waverly is noticably bigger, but I am not sure since fastbilly used the close but not 100% watering can.  Fastbilly's mouth looks to be the right size and it looks like you got really close on your arm pieces.  Good job.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on August 13, 2017, 01:01:24 PM
Grant was super cool letting us get up and close with Waverly.  His mouth operates the same way as Crows does - I was allowed to take a picture of the inside of the mouth showing the elastic but it is blurry...

My estimate is:
The bellows on the real Waverly is like 20% bigger.
The head is much larger, like 80% bigger.
The mouth is about 30% bigger.

Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Waverly on August 15, 2017, 06:29:23 PM
So great meeting you guys at the show!  I showed Joel the pictures of basement bot Waverly and he was really impressed.  I would like to post one of the pictures of Waverly with his counterpart on Twitter. fastbilly1 are you on Twitter?  If so, let me know what your username is so I can tag you when I post it.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Dr.cgad on August 15, 2017, 07:26:27 PM
So Waverly went on a trip and ended up at a pub where he met up with part of the Revival league:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4416/36383926501_ef8ba549e7_z.jpg)

   That first one made me laugh.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on August 16, 2017, 01:41:36 PM
Sorta OK'ish measurements!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on August 16, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
Quote from: Ron
Sorta OK'ish measurements!

More than OK'ish, those rock!

I had started drawing the belt buckle in cad using the basement bot for reference.  Based on your pictures I scaled it up.  I did a few quick samples and I would guess most of my drawing is within 1/32 of an inch!  I see some tweaks that will need to be made because your pictures have some different views that I did not have before.  Thanks for sharing!

(https://xab9qa.bn1304.livefilestore.com/y4mtFeVDjvBQ3vuIZVFE7hnqkl5M7iYws1WK1wXHwz9L707tgVjFMfejz6sZXysTCrqDNmSO4BmORABIj79rpSPFaNP9E3n7YXsQy8cfcS6y1R_3mkdSO70Wa7aoxrSE54TBmFvAKDWYqoNN2yR3YWpH3cPhUx7iy1e4cicDn-Ndi7cQfXF3pGn0W3yfXtOK1tCwLNaxy-4Nwz5-8kQTiuJzw?width=660&height=199&cropmode=none)



Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on August 16, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
So great meeting you guys at the show!  I showed Joel the pictures of basement bot Waverly and he was really impressed.  I would like to post one of the pictures of Waverly with his counterpart on Twitter. fastbilly1 are you on Twitter?  If so, let me know what your username is so I can tag you when I post it.
Awesome that Joel liked it.  I will be honored if you posted it on your twitter.  Sadly I no longer use the service, my account got hacked years ago and just never started another one. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on September 07, 2017, 09:57:22 AM
Does anyone know of a place to for sure get the right sand castle mold for Waverly's mouth?

I know Danzilla did a lot of part sourcing for this and posted several links to Amazon.

Back in July I ordered two sets out of China.  I  knew it would be a wait but the parts were cheap.  They showed up yesterday and do not have the mouth mold that was in the picture.  :(  They apologized for the confusion and have changed their pictures on Amazon to reflect what is actually included as well as giving me a refund.

I went to one of the other links Danzilla posted.  The mold was included with a dump truck toy and was much more expensive.  I was just going to bite the bullet until I read some reviews where people said they received different things than pictured and didn't get some things from the set at all.  I don't want to go thru the order and return thing again.

Hopefully someone knows a place to get the right part, for sure, the first time.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: DentonUSA on September 07, 2017, 01:55:29 PM
I was going to point this out much earlier, but I forgot :P, but the little shapes on Waverly's belt buckle look like little lego pieces. Not sure about the rectangular one, but the circular one is a definite yes.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on September 11, 2017, 12:15:24 PM
Does anyone know of a place to for sure get the right sand castle mold for Waverly's mouth?

I went to one of the other links Danzilla posted.  The mold was included with a dump truck toy and was much more expensive.  I was just going to bite the bullet until I read some reviews where people said they received different things than pictured and didn't get some things from the set at all.  I don't want to go thru the order and return thing again.

Hopefully someone knows a place to get the right part, for sure, the first time.

Sorry for the late reply, bud.  Thanks for letting us know that the Chinese listing doesn't have the correct mouth.  You've done the Bot Building community a great debt of service by getting that picture changed!  I'll remove the listing from my Waverly Parts thread accordingly.

I bought the dump truck set to get my mouth, and the part was definitely in there.  It was nearly 30 bucks when I bought it, and last I checked a few days ago, it's a lot cheaper now.  I say go for it, but a word of caution: the piece is too large to be 100% accurate when put under the watering can head.  That's what has tripped me up and prevented me from completing the build, since I'm a stickler for accuracy. 

The most confounding thing about this is the fact that the Basement Bot was constructed using all original, not 3D printed parts, and the head and mouth are perfect!  There HAS to be either a slightly smaller mouth or a slightly larger head out there, but for the LIIIIIIIIFE of me, I haven't been able to find it after nearly 7 months of looking.

Until those parts are proven to exist and I can get one to do some measurements, or the existing too small/large parts can be 3D scanned and printed larger/smaller, the mouth in that listing with the truck is your best bet.  ;)
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on September 16, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
I ordered two more sets of sand castle parts to get another shoulder, neither came with the shoulder part...  Hunchback Waverly still lives!
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4344/36423120944_9864797133_z.jpg)

Waverly got some love at Dragoncon the 4 hours I was there (Lots of folk yelled "Watchout for Snakes"), but not as much as hometown hero Homestar Runner.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: sd3 on September 17, 2017, 08:03:56 AM

Sorry for the late reply, bud.  Thanks for letting us know that the Chinese listing doesn't have the correct mouth.  You've done the Bot Building community a great debt of service by getting that picture changed!  I'll remove the listing from my Waverly Parts thread accordingly.

<blush>  It was nothing.

I bought the dump truck set to get my mouth, and the part was definitely in there.  It was nearly 30 bucks when I bought it, and last I checked a few days ago, it's a lot cheaper now.  I say go for it, but a word of caution: the piece is too large to be 100% accurate when put under the watering can head.  That's what has tripped me up and prevented me from completing the build, since I'm a stickler for accuracy. 

Yeah, I'm still kicking that around but I am working another angle.  Would you mind posting the dimensions of the mold form the dump truck set?  The height and diameter of the base would be good.  Thanks in advance.

The most confounding thing about this is the fact that the Basement Bot was constructed using all original, not 3D printed parts, and the head and mouth are perfect!  There HAS to be either a slightly smaller mouth or a slightly larger head out there, but for the LIIIIIIIIFE of me, I haven't been able to find it after nearly 7 months of looking.

Almost has to be a smaller mouth part.  The watering can we all have looks right with the Air Hogs body and the shoulder castle molds to me.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on January 03, 2018, 09:50:36 AM
Has anyone scanned the parts and have 3d files?  I now have a 3d printer so I can make a proper Waverly!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on January 03, 2018, 08:10:54 PM
^DUDE!

That's super awesome!  I wish I had 3D files to give you.

I also wish I had a 3D printer.  :(
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on January 03, 2018, 08:19:20 PM
However...

Were some enterprising person to send me a Waverly mouth, I can 3D scan it, and then we'd have a digital file to scale and send off to Shapeways.... <hint hint>

I'd shoot Ron a PM.  If he can get 3D files made, you'll be in business!  Hell, I'll help out with sending extra parts for scanning if I have 'em!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Dr.cgad on January 03, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
i know this is off topic but i wanted to let you know that my crow kit came in.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on January 12, 2018, 06:41:01 PM
Man, my poor Waverly is still sitting in my room with no mouth right now.  Poor little guy's arm fell off the other day, as well.  I'd have been sadder in the moment if the brutal appropriateness of his arm coming off hasn't hit me a couple of seconds later.  :'(

I've been chomping at the bit to finish this guy for months, but no matter how hard I try, I'm still not satisfied with settling for the mouth that's too big.  Everything else is pretty awesome, but he won't be right until I get a smaller mouth. 

If any progress is made towards getting smaller parts 3D printed, then by all means, PLEASE count me in!  My man Waverly needs him some chompers!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on January 27, 2018, 08:37:48 AM
I had a pipe break behind my workbench three weeks ago when we didnt get above 10 degrees for more than a few days.  So the garage was flipped upside down and everything got rearranged.  It was the pipe that feeds the hot water heater so I did not feel comfortable fixing it myself.  Luckily the plumber was a huge fan of Scifi and specifically Starwars.  Parts of jumbo waverly were piled in a clear bin on the workbench and he finally asked what it was.  So I went and got faux Waverly and BB8 and he did the whole repair for the cost of materials.

So now that the garage is usable again, I can work on fixing Waverly and building Jumbo Waverly.  Once Waverly is working he might start singing opera.  Gotta start building that hype for Season 12.

Until then BB8 on ice:
https://www.facebook.com/KilobyteTheater/videos/vb.252516601518775/1136969813073445/?type=2&theater
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on February 06, 2018, 10:23:08 AM
Until then BB8 on ice:
https://www.facebook.com/KilobyteTheater/videos/vb.252516601518775/1136969813073445/?type=2&theater

HILARIOUS  ;D
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on March 01, 2018, 02:07:07 PM
Alright, new job has been obtained and workshop/garage is back in usable shape.  So I have some time to get back to fixing Waverly.

I need:
- A new shoulder and pull the shoulders tighter so he is not hunchbacked.
- Rebuild mouth so it is operational
- Rebuild arms so they are the correct length - the real one has a straight part with a ball at the end in the shoulder for the joint (I did not do that).

The real Waverly mouth operates similarly to Crow with elastic going through the bridge of the mouth.  He also has a head turning mechanic that I may forgo for complexity in the smaller size.

Smits's Jumbo Waverly is going to be assembled soon aswell.  He is all painted and sitting in the chair in my workshop taking up space...
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on March 01, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
Glad to hear things are rolling again!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on July 26, 2018, 11:21:51 AM
Five more sets of sand castle parts later, still dont have two matching pieces and with the 3d printer needing new servos, Waverly is going to have a helluva a August getting ready for Dragoncon, you know if Jonah needs him.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on August 17, 2018, 02:44:40 PM
Love that you're still working on this, man!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on September 25, 2018, 01:17:55 PM
HE'S BACK!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on September 25, 2018, 04:54:20 PM
Bodys are the Disguise Master Chief kids costume reconfigured - back is front kneecap is moved down:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Disguise-Master-Chief-Ultra-Prestige-Halo-Microsoft-Costume-Large-10-12-/272756149455

Drumset is Best Choices Products Kid Drumset:
https://bestchoiceproducts.com/products/bcp-kids-toy-musical-instrument-11-piece-kids-drum-set-w-bass-drum-tom-drums-cymbal-stool-drumsticks-drum-kit
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: shotts63 on September 25, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
fastbilly 1, you figured that out quick!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on September 25, 2018, 07:31:22 PM
My greatest gift is a huge amount of knowledge about stuff that will never get you a job...

I will start a new topic to go over everything from the different screenshots. 
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Oldeworldsmith on December 19, 2018, 03:34:00 PM
I’d like to offer a big thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread and did the hard work identifying Waverly’s various bits. Using this thread’s info I was able to hunt down these parts of the original Basement Bot for myself:

(https://i.postimg.cc/v1JqvRgD/three-parts.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v1JqvRgD)

I’m sending them on to Ron McAdams for 3D scanning so perhaps we can finally start getting to the business of properly Waverly-izing them. Before we cross that bridge though, I thought we might explore these off-the-shelf toys to get a better idea of how they’re alike and also different from their final, 3D modeled counterparts.

MEASUREMENTS AND SCALE COMPARISONS

Before we get into each individual part, I thought I’d share what I was able to learn about the sizes and scales of the real Waverly and how I came to my conclusions.

I think we’re all familiar with the photo posted by PuppetGarage of Waverly’s bits all spread out before being assembled. The Scale-Unlocking-Key they benevolently gave us, came in the form of a paint-cap which was then ID’d as coming from a Krylon spray can. Since that is something we can easily acquire and determine the size of, we now have a scale system we can use to measure the rest of the items in the photo- At least all the items that are laying at relatively the same elevation as the base of the Krylon cap. Which is to say, table level.

With that in mind, the diameter of a real, in-hand cap comes in at 2-5/8”

(https://i.postimg.cc/mtp0F5w1/Cap-and-castle-measured.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mtp0F5w1)

Incidentally, I discovered the Basement Bot part that makes up the shoulders also has a diameter around the base of its conical castle tower of exactly 2-5/8” as well… Which we’ll get more into further on.

By scaling a virtual ruler on the PuppetGarage image and adjusting it to 2-5/8” at the base diameter of the cap…

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3fCY3Nq/Ruler-Scaled-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3fCY3Nq)

…We can now begin to move that ruler around and start measuring the other items that fall closely within the same elevated plain. Now, keep in mind this method ISN’T exacting nor flawless. But I’ve found it does result in awfully close results in other tested scenarios where I could check actual measurements of objects I had in-hand as well as what they measured in photos. Keeping in mind that *typically* most of these bot objects aren’t sized to have measurements with fractions of an inch smaller than 1/8” …And we can trust that what we are seeing with the ruler is more likely ¾”, ¼” or ½” even if the ruler looks like it’s falling between a 1/16” near one of those larger fractions. Anyways, here’s some results to help demonstrate what I’m trying to say:

(https://i.postimg.cc/06sZ6YLJ/Ruler-Scaled-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/06sZ6YLJ) (https://i.postimg.cc/XrFQ7HDb/Ruler-Scaled-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrFQ7HDb) (https://i.postimg.cc/qzW1rVww/Ruler-Scaled-4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qzW1rVww) (https://i.postimg.cc/w3fWWssS/Ruler-Scaled-5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/w3fWWssS) (https://i.postimg.cc/zbpdYy2H/Ruler-Scaled-7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbpdYy2H)

The next image features the results of the objects I felt could be most accurately measured, being closest to the table surface.

Note: I found the diameters of the orange “arm links” to be consistent with the Outer Diameters of 1” and ¾” PVC pipes. That’s why I identify them as such, instead of by their exact ODs.

Note II: Check out the measurement for the “shoulder castle!” The flange around the base appears to make it a bit larger, but not SO much larger as to convince me it isn’t the same size as the off-the-shelf toy it’s based on. As such, I’m calling that part as 1:1 at 2-5/8”
The community is of course free to debate me on that. But I still have more to share on that further below.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0bcjLPCM/table-level-measurements.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bcjLPCM)

What about the parts we can’t accurately scale our ruler to since they are at a higher elevation from the table? Like the assembled head, the pump-body, etc? Unfortunately, when we take into consideration the fact that there’s no way to know exactly what kind of lens is being used and how that’s distorting the perspective (not to mention the distance from camera to subject), we simply can’t get technical and call it confirmed. But what we can do is attempt to see “in general” if our suspicions are correct that both the foot-pump body and watering can head were indeed enlarged for the final puppet.

Again, I took a photo of all three parts in matching positions as close to what we see in the PuppetGarage photo as I could get them. We add in our control object, the paint cap, and then we can scale the new photo to match the old and see if the objects are dramatically different from each other or not. Again, this isn’t as accurate as the table-top ruler method, but I think it helps give us a basic idea if the sizes have been altered or not.

(https://i.postimg.cc/tnYz02V8/Scaling-based-on-cap.png) (https://postimg.cc/tnYz02V8)

Low and behold, we see what that gives us when we put each object side-by-side with their Waverly counterparts.

(https://i.postimg.cc/GHf5psLk/Head-scale-comp.png) (https://postimg.cc/GHf5psLk) (https://i.postimg.cc/BXbzsC0S/Body-scale-comp.png) (https://postimg.cc/BXbzsC0S) (https://i.postimg.cc/Lg6bJtgV/Shoulder-scale-comp.png) (https://postimg.cc/Lg6bJtgV)

I personally think the differences in the head and body are dramatically different. I’d say they were indeed scaled. Especially since it looks to my eyes like the shoulder castle does NOT appear to be dramatically different in size using this comparison method.
By how much more did they scale-up the head and body? I’m afraid there’s no way to accurately pinpoint that just by this photo comparison. That will come down to 3D modeling against Waverly photos based on the known size of his “belt buckle” which Ron was able to put a ruler next to.

BODY

First up, a word of caution to anyone looking to hunt down the Air Hogs rockets- This version, the “Split Shot Rocket,” which I saw discussed in the thread AND which features a correctly shaped foot-pump pedal PRINTED on the front of the box… Is a LIE!

Open it up and you’ll find a lousy, useless (for our needs) cylindrical foot pump. Fortunately, it only cost me $10. I found the correct, square version packed with the Air Hogs “Jet Shot Blaster.”

(https://i.postimg.cc/zbkQDtvB/Bad-Air-Hogs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zbkQDtvB) (https://i.postimg.cc/k2VLNv11/Good-Air-Hogs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k2VLNv11)

The accurate pump features the correct number of ribs, a properly shaped base, and (once cut from the tube leading to the rocket launcher) the cylindrical air spout at the bottom-rear. One new discovery (as far as I’ve seen in the thread) is that the base and pump body are two individual pieces which can be separated from each other.

(https://i.postimg.cc/NL1Vp0xt/pump-body-1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NL1Vp0xt) (https://i.postimg.cc/KKTSbDtk/pump-body-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/KKTSbDtk)

So how does the final, printed Waverly body stack up against the Foot Pump?

An obvious difference is that the 3D printed version has flattened out the top and removed the raised edges found on the toy. The other change is that the very bottom lip which makes up the top of the removable base on the toy has been instead been modeled onto the body.

(https://i.postimg.cc/jWP9mdry/Body-Topside.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jWP9mdry) (https://i.postimg.cc/2bYJDRzM/Body-Lip.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bYJDRzM)

Here’s the thing- I still think the Black painted base of Waverly is a separate piece, possibly attached with some small screws. At least that’s how I would make it. Both for ease in painting and for access into the pump/body for assembly, repair & replacement.

One thing that’s for sure, the Waverly version doesn’t feature the raised-ridges found on the bottom of the toy’s base and instead the black base looks completely smooth.

(https://i.postimg.cc/yWV5pHpS/Body-Undercarriage.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/yWV5pHpS)

HEAD

The sand toy watering can that makes up his noggin’ has several differences as well. First, the cap that is removed from the spout and placed on the “top” has an extra circle of watering-holes on the toy version. The Waverly puppet only features one with a single hole in the center.

(https://i.postimg.cc/18WbwYrN/sprinkler-top.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/18WbwYrN)(https://i.postimg.cc/xkvxgxKR/head-cap-rings.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xkvxgxKR)

The same number of ribs are present on both objects but it appears that the very top rib, while still larger than the others on the final Waverly, has been reduced or shortened compared to how it appears on the toy.

(https://i.postimg.cc/f3nqcn0y/Head-mods.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/f3nqcn0y)

The other big takeaway is the length of the stem on the “Eye spout.” Every angle I’ve seen in photos of Waverly have me convinced that not only is it a separately modeled and printed piece from the ribbed “Can Head” it’s also set further back into the head. Thus, the stalk doesn’t stick out as far as it does on the toy.

It should be noted both watering can and spout are all one, single piece of injection molded plastic on the toy watering can.

(https://i.postimg.cc/PLP94zSV/head-single-mold.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLP94zSV)

Lastly, the outer edge of the spout-eye has a ringed “rim,” which was used for keeping the yellow spout cap on. It looks like it’s thicker and more pronounced on the final puppet.

SHOULDERS

Now that we come to the shoulders, I have to admit I thought for certain that these were also scaled and altered in several dimensions. Instead, after photo-scale comparisons I’m actually convinced these are the only parts that (as far as scale is concerned) weren’t altered! Or if they were, not by very much. One small detail that differs between them is a short ridge at the baseline on the toy that isn’t present on the Waverly puppet version.

(https://i.postimg.cc/6TcsB340/shoulder-castle.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/6TcsB340)

The final LARGE difference has already been observed and discussed at length in this thread- That is the alteration of the toy’s body to only have one castle wall outcropping protruding from its side. This can be easily seen in any view of the piece from above.

MOUTH

I so far have not been able to acquire the castle tower mold that makes up his mouth. The one Amazon listing in which it can be seen (that’s still listed as available) comes with a caveat that unfortunately ends in a bait & switch. You’ll see that the seller is only sending you one of the molds you see pictured… At “random.” Even though I saw several unhappy reviews state that they only recieved the blue mold, I decided to give it try and see if I got lucky…

(https://i.postimg.cc/NyjBwHpR/amazon-molds.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NyjBwHpR) (https://i.postimg.cc/ZC4Qghfd/Bait-n-Switch-Castle.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ZC4Qghfd)

No dice. Again, based on the reviews which state receiving the same mold I did, I’m willing to bet the seller does not even have the yellow castle tower anymore.

If you’re one of the lucky folks who do have one these parts- PLEASE consider submitting it to Ron McAdams for 3D scanning. He’ll send it back to you and you’ll be making so many others very happy!

I suspect the piece has been altered on the Waverly puppet both in scale and changed to be more ovular in its circumference… But I can’t say for certain having never had an original in my hands.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Ron on December 24, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Yes... if you have originals, and want them scanned and returned safely, please contact me.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on January 03, 2019, 03:34:49 PM
Ron, I have a close replica if you cant get in touch with Dan who spent who knows how much on getting a 1:1.  I need to take apart my Waverly to fix his mechanics anyway.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Danzilla93 on January 03, 2019, 10:27:06 PM
I'm still alive!!

Things have been a bit crazy on my end, but I definitely still have a mouth that's the right sculpt but too big.  It's been cut/painted Waverly colors, but if that's not a problem, I'd definitely be down for getting it scanned!
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: fastbilly1 on January 04, 2019, 08:33:50 AM
Since the files will be scaled to large should not be a problem.  And cut might actually be better, I have never had luck cutting a 3d printed model.
Title: Re: Waverly
Post by: Oldeworldsmith on January 04, 2019, 07:57:42 PM
That would be fantastic if you can send even that half piece to Ron! The 3D scans will only serve as a labor-saving starting point on the parts anyway. I was actually doing a photo-layered comparison today to a picture you posted of your halved, green mouth piece over a similar profile photo of Waverly. It’s definitely been manipulated from the original. The lengths of the square and round  extrusions are different on the final and the top part of the “beak” has been modeled to be slightly wider than the bottom just as I suspected.

Manipulating those changes on a scanned model that we can quickly align to the X,Y,Z axes will be easier than trying to model one anew from photos that don’t give us perfect profile angles to work from.

Been slowly teaching myself Blender in anticipation of working on the 3D scanned parts... Mostly because I don't have CAD and Blender's free.